# BlitzODE Physics Thread

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Time for a newer and stickier ODE thread! |

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http://blitz.pp.ru/file/BlitzODE_0_5_b.rar Right, well, nobody else seems to keep track of the latest file, so il post the one I know of here. Wooo! ode rocks! now, im off to play with that skid info that Sweenie showed me! Ps... cool, im the first one to post a reply ^>^ |

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You must be really young :) |

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how do you disable gravity? Also I noticed that when I disable the 'invisible floor' objects still hit something even though there is nothing there But then it does go through the area where the floor would be. |

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heh, i just get very bored. i was sitting in the same chair all day without a break, 9-5. @Slenkar: You disable gravity with ODE_dWorldSetGravity(0,0,0). |

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I'm experimenting with this ODE Wrapper and I found that slip1 and slip2 constants are not defined in BlitzOde.bb I think that dContactSlip1 and dContactSlip2 should be used instead in ODE_dSetContactMode() in order to enable ODE to take care of this tipe of friction model...or I'm wrong?? |

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I have it working. the functions are in there... o.O Or am i misunderstanding? |

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Can we please have the download as a zip file? |

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I think some kind of "official" archive should be made too, there are loads of different versions with various fixes and whatnot, all very confusing for the beginner! :) |

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yep, zip up all the stuff in one zip and release it :) Tracer |

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Here is an old program I made with my original ODE DLL - http://www.jameskett.dsl.pipex.com/BANGER.zip It's not perfect because the old DLL used Blitz collisions to pass info to the ODE system, but with the new system it should be much better. Anyway, the car is quite fun to drive. If anyone wants the source code I can post it up - it's no use to me as I'm working on my Ragdoll Rider game. |

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jhocking, I already zipped it in the other thread for you and the zip brigade :) www.redflame.net/hosted/BlitzODE_0_5_b.zip |

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thanks Cygnus, How do I stop force acting upon a body -set with dBodyAddForce? I tried getting and setting the angular-momentum as in the car demos but my cube doesnt slow down after I apply the force. Do I get the list of commands from the ODE website? |

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Thanks! |

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Neato, having fun! How would I go about getting the car to knock over this tree?? The tree is a mesh initialized with the CreateTriMesh function. |

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Neato, having fun! How would I go about getting the car to knock over this tree?? At a guess, make an ODE cylinder of similar dimensions then alter the position and rotation of the mesh to match each frame. I wouldn't use the mesh's geometry - too complex and wasteful. |

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Ooh, Vorderman, post that source -- pretty please! |

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ruiht now im tempted to post something old of me and a mates... but i think we will kep working on it.... Of course, id have to ask him first too.. that screenies not the best. im questioning weather to start over with new ode or to continue trying to convert my old code. Its converted very well but the new ODE system seems very very different and it behaves differently. I have also been unable to regenerate a car in the current one that does not steer funny.. the front wheels move one way, and while doing so, they push the back wheels a different way. I know its possible cuz ive seen that truck demo!!! :) [edit] just realised how obvious it is who my mate is :) [/edit] |

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just realised how obvious it is who my mate is :) GB=Garth Brooks, obviously. Hope he's not doing your music. |

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Lads can you verify the invisible object at 0,0,0 and rotatate geometry bugs? |

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here you go - http://www.jameskett.dsl.pipex.com/banger_racing.bb remember it's the old ODE interface and somewhat different to the current one, but perhaps the basic setup and car physics will transfer easily enough..? |

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Lads can you verify the invisible object at 0,0,0 and rotatate geometry bugs? I can verify the invisible object somewhat... each object exhibits a reaction the first time it tries to pass through that space, after which all is fine (hence I'm unsure if it really is an invisible object or some other glitch.) EDIT: Fixed problem below. Simulator space needs to be initialised as global for trimesh creation to reference it... had overlooked this. I'm being a bit dense at the moment... is there a command/parameter that activates collision between objects and the trimesh? I'm scouring the examples but I can't get this aspect up and running even though it looks like I've copied everything faithfully :P Must twiddle some more... |

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Cygnus - that screenie looks really nice to me - any chance of a demo program so we can see it moving? |

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Il have a word.. it also uses the old ODE interface.. its incredibly stable for it but even a 95% stability isnt good enough- Id like to get it running in ode 0.5 and this wrapper. its what im trying to do.. just has some wierd things i dont understand going on :) If you read this, Mr P, what do you say? |

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Is this a bug or proper behaviour? If I drop a couple of rigid bodies onto an animated body, when I begin to rotate the animated body the rigid bodies move with it and topple/roll as you'd expect. When I try the same thing with a trimesh, however, the rigid bodies fall through the mesh as it moves. Everything is fine if the mesh is still (ie reactions look accurate whatever the x/y/z angles of rotation) but once it's in motion the rigid bodies just slide through it. I'm repositioning the trimesh with ODE_dGeomSetRotation by the way, which has seemed to work okay with animated bodies so far. EDIT: This is with the supplied 002.b3d mesh. Just so you know. |

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Man, that new car behavior is bad... that truck rolls easier than a lubricated ball! Tracer |

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Not sure if this has anything to do with it: Trimesh/Trimesh collisions, perform quite well, but there are three minor caveats: The stepsize you use will, in general, have to be reduced for accurate collision resolution. Non-convex shape collision is much more dependent on the collision geometry than primitive collisions. Further, the local contact geometry will change more rapidly (and in a more complex fashion) for non-convex polytopes than it does for simple, convex polytopes such as spheres and cubes. In order to efficiently resolve collisions, dCollideTTL needs the positions of the colliding trimeshes in the previous timestep. This is used to calculate an estimated velocity of each colliding triangle, which is used to find the direction of impact, contact normals, etc. This requires the user to update these variables at every timestep. This update is performed outside of ODE, so it is not included in ODE itself. The code to do this looks something like this: const double *DoubleArrayPtr = Bodies[BodyIndex].TransformationMatrix->GetArray(); dGeomTriMeshDataSet( TriMeshData, TRIMESH_LAST_TRANSFORMATION, (void *) DoubleArrayPtr ); The transformation matrix is the standard 4x4 homogeneous transform matrix, and the "DoubleArray" is the standard flattened array of the 16 matrix values. Basically, i think you have to keep updating the trimesh info... or just nothave trimeshes moving... imrealy not sure. ANyone help on this one? |

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Coooo... where are those docs from? Thanks for the info, but I'm not totally inspired by "The code to do this looks something like this". SOMETHING like that?! :D Would be nice to see this added as a function within BlitzODE.bb at some point - fully integrated trimeshes are the ideal. Of course, it's all gobbledeygook to me. |

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I think I may leave off for a bit until all these teething problems are sorted out and I have a solid base to start from (stability, features, not beta etc) :) It`ll be hard enough to just ise ODE, never mind try and deal with bugs and glitches along the way! Freat work arkon, keep it up mate!! :D |

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lol, i didnt write that of course, its from the ODE documents found over at www.ode.org. I just put the code into a code box to make it look nicer. IM still having problems with turning the wheels of my cars in this one. Anyone help here? |

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I also think that there should be some Blitz style help that integrate into the F1 help, MUCH MUCH nicer than having to use the docs at ode.org. I am willing to do it if no one else wants the task (ie. people with Cod2Doc + those who know how to do it already) It should just be a case of ammending a few command names and pasting in the docs from ode.org, no? |

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i didnt write that of course, No I knew that! It's just that the section of www.ode.org that I've been looking at doesn't have that info. Incidentally, I tried a really simple trimesh (a box) rather than the undulating sample one and it exhibits the same problem so the complexity of the geometry seems not to matter. EDIT: Actually, running the code a few more times reveals that it's prone to hanging when you start asking the simulation to handle rigid bodies against a moving trimesh... the non-trimesh code is still stable so it's almost certainly not the length of time my machine's been running. |

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Blitz ODE forum here: http://playerfactory.proboards25.com |

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I also think that there should be some Blitz style help that integrate into the F1 help, MUCH MUCH nicer than having to use the docs at ode.org. I am willing to do it if no one else wants the task (ie. people with Cod2Doc + those who know how to do it already) It should just be a case of ammending a few command names and pasting in the docs from ode.org, no? I am OK to describe to whoever who wants how we can do that in Cod2Doc. It's not too difficult! BotBuilder already did it for Tokamak... Just ask me. |

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Here's a zip of the ODE version 0.5 docs from www.ode.org modified to use local filepaths. These may differ in some respects from Arkon's functions but they should be useful as a general guide. http://www.brightrealm.com/REMOTE_FILES/ODE_v0.5_Docs.zip |

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No friction on rolling objects??? Sorry for the stupid question, but I cannot understand this... If i put a box on the plane and then apply a force to it, it will start moving and after a while will stop again, just because there is friction. This is the expected behaviour. If I replace the cube with a sphere or cylinder, it starts rolling and never stop. Even if I set a very high friction value it will never stop. Why??? [EDIT] I've just downloaded all the ODE mailing list and I found that rolling friction is not modelled in ode, so we have to compute it by ourself :) Now things make sense [/EDIT] |

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its pretty easy to compute realy.. just damp the rolling speed when the sphere has collided :) |

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The more friction a rolling object has, the MORE it will roll! A rolling object will only stop rolling if: - a force damps it - it is sticky - it's inerta finally runs out on a flat plane - another force collides Adding friction is crazy! it's the grip that causes the roll, so yes it's a stupid question because it is answered by looking at the behaviour of objects around you :) |

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How do you detect a collision with trimesh from an animated body? |

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Re: The simulation hanging - I had switched to ODE_dWorldStep in the hopes that it would help fix the collision between rigid bodies and the trimesh, reverting back to ODE_dWorldQuickStep seems to stop the crashing. |

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I am not able to have collision between a normal body and a trimesh. I followed the example in ODE_Tutorial_03_01 to try to do that, but it failed because I am scaling my mesh (with ScaleMesh in Blitz). If I change the code in ODE_Tutorial_03_01 and try to scale the mesh (before calling trimesh off course), then it fails as well (try it!). How can I correct that? Is there a possibility to scale the geometry associated with the mesh?? |

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(try it!) Already did... the TriMesh remains the original size, as you've discovered. I just made my original bigger in the editor... perhaps there's export code in the archives that will let you save out a scaled-up mesh from within Blitz instead? Either that or you could try to scale the Trimesh as it's made by messing around with the ODE_dTriMeshCreate function. I don't see anything in the decls file that would be directly helpful. |

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Try this fixed code for creating trimesh. Pass it your level mesh. |

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for meshes you want to use as trimesh better use scalemesh instead of scaleentity. This way the actual vertex coordinates are modified not the objects matrix |

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@ Vorderman.. did you update the wrapper at some point? cuz thats giving me a load of wierd stuff on my system (too many perameters etc etc etc)... it looks cool ^.^ |

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for meshes you want to use as trimesh better use scalemesh instead of scaleentity That works great - should've thought to try it. |

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Also, look in misc 3d, code archives for EntityScale functions. Merely multiply by entity scale to give you the correct results. |

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I have a flat TriMesh. 32 x 32. My object bounces at 0,0,0 then eventually falls through. Has anyone had problems with this? |

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I have a flat TriMesh. 32 x 32. My object bounces at 0,0,0 then eventually falls through. Has anyone had problems with this? Move your TriMesh up... I think you will find the object is passing through it and hitting the phantom 0,0,0 object instead. When I couldn't get collision between rigid bodies and the TriMesh it was because I forgot to make the simulation space global. |

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Umm. Thanks but that doesn't seem to be the problem. Tri mesh seems to have holes in it somehow.. In Tokamak it works perfectly... I love how ODE operates but I can't for the life of me get my objects to consitently stay on the TriMesh. I have a object that is controlled with my joystick, applying various forces, I bump into cubes on the ground and sometimes they fall through. |

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There is still a bug with an invisible object at 0,0,0. Please consider reading the old topic first before asking questions that may have been answered to save time and posts. |

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I bump into cubes on the ground and sometimes they fall through. Is autodisable off for each body? I don't know if it matters against the TriMesh, but it might. Is the TriMesh stationary? |

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@Bloodlocust: I tried you function (thanks) but that didn't work (both for my program or for the tutorial). @Dreamora: I didn't use scaleEntity, but scaleMesh, and still it does not work... |

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Here is an optimization I believe it has to be used when having many ode objects. It shows how to use better the autodisable flags. |

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Riteyo: Were still working on our lil car project. @Vorderman: Were keeping it under wraps for the time being, Email me or give me an email addy and il send you a link to a current copy. :) We may let a demo thingy out at some point- it depends where it goes realy. :D |

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Cygnus: great, thanks - I'd really like to see what you're making - my home email address is jameskett@.... I assume you want it kept private at the moment? In answer to your question I think I must have updated the wrapper because some of my old stuff works and some doesn't - it's possible that program used an older version. |

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@Bloodlocust: I tried you function (thanks) but that didn't work (both for my program or for the tutorial). @Dreamora: I didn't use scaleEntity, but scaleMesh, and still it does not work... Have you renamed the simulation space? The TriMesh creation function is hard-coded to use the original name given in the tutorials and may trip people (ie me) up. |

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Have you renamed the simulation space? No, I didn't rename the simulation space. It's called "space" and it's global in my program |

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No, I didn't rename the simulation space. It's called "space" and it's global in my program Have you got the Quadbike example there? That has working trimesh collision... try importing the example mesh and seeing if that works in your code. It will at least tell you whether it's your code or an anomally with the mesh that is causing the problem. If you don't get collisions with the example mesh then you're going to have to do a line by line comparison with the example code to see where yours differs. |

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well then you'll just have to start again from scratch. |

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in the screenshot a ways up I loaded that mesh terrain created in FLE, seemed to work just fine. |

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:'( sob... sob.... arkon has left us...! |

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um,huh? |

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um,huh? |

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Gotta say the ODE community is a bit crap - is there only the mailing list from the offial site? |

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is there only the mailing list from the offial site? In the Wiki section is a link to a community forum. http://ode.petrucci.ch/ |

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It has less than 100 posts on the entire forum! |

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You asked, I told. :) |

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I posted there and got an instant response. |

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Furry muff - guess every community grows from tiny acorns :) |

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ODE's been used in all sorts of stuff from high end modelling packages, xbox games, etc... The author of ODE worked on mathengine... which became karma and powered the physics of unreal tournament 2004 AFAIK, so it's probably quite the thing :) I would like arkon to fix the bugs, willing to donate if it means he'll work on it :) |

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Ah right, do you know something we dont? Has he stopped work on it now? Hope not, he`s done a great job on the wrapper! |

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Arkon rocks, hope he's not gone, he's done hell of good job here! |

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well then you'll just have to start again from scratch. I'm not so sure he will. Now I let my rigid bodies become inert I find them slipping through the TriMesh. I don't think the RB's in the examples ever actually come to a halt, much less against two faces on different axis. I'm not sure whether ODE is supposed to be able to handle such, but I'm probably going to fall back to animated bodies for the time being as behaviour seems infinitely more predictable there. |

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I don't stopped work on the wrapper... :) |

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Have you got the Quadbike example there? No? What is the quadbike example???? Where can I find it?? Thanks! Goods news that arkon is still working on the ODE wrapper!! |

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No? What is the quadbike example???? Where can I find it?? From this thread: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=38506 It's the BlitzODE_Test.zip that CopperCircle linked I think. |

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The link posted by CopperCircle is now dead... |

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The link posted by CopperCircle is now dead... Seeing as it has aleady been made publicly available I will host it for a few hours. http://www.gamefreax.fsnet.co.uk/Downloads/BlitzODE_Test.zip |

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Sorry, I had to make some room on my webspace to upload another project. |

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So, for the Trimesh problem, I tried to take the quadbike example, but this example has still the same problem. If you scale the mesh 0.1 instead of 1, then ODE doesn't take this into account. I guess there is something to modify in the function given by arkon to take into account the scale, but I am far from being a king in vertex/triangles programmation!! |

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Did you bother trying the fixed function posted previously? |

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I use TrueSpace..I had problems with Item fall through. Here is what I use I took a terragen Terrain and imported it into TrueSpace... I found that I had to flip all the triangles of the mesh to get the Trimesh to work right. |

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@BloodLocust: I quote myself from a previous post ;-) @Bloodlocust: I tried you function (thanks) but that didn't work (both for my program or for the tutorial). So, no, sorry, that was not working for me... Were you able to successfully use your modified function with a scale not equal to 1? Thanks! |

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So, for the Trimesh problem, I tried to take the quadbike example, but this example has still the same problem. If you scale the mesh 0.1 instead of 1, then ODE doesn't take this into account. You must be doing something wrong. I got scaling working fine following the advice in this thread (scale mesh before passing it to ODE). In the quadbike example replace this line... ODE_CreateTriMesh(0,1.5,0,0,0,0,"002.b3d","forest.bmp") ...with this... mesh = LoadMesh("002.b3d") tex= LoadTexture("forest.bmp") EntityTexture mesh,tex RotateMesh mesh,-10,0,0 ScaleMesh mesh,.5,.5,.5 TriMesh = ODE_dTriMeshCreate(mesh) |

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Thank you, Sledge, it works for me now!! Hmmmm, I really don't understand what I was doing wrong... Sorry for that! |

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I'm was having some serious problems scaling and rotating static meshes here resulting in position & collision issues. I think Rob mentioned a rotation bug in the last thread? As Sledge mentioned above, it seems to be very important to not only scale but also to rotate and position the mesh in the right order. So for the benefit of anyone else having problems this order works for me: mesh=LoadMesh(mesh$) ScaleMesh mesh,1.4,2,1.8 RotateMesh mesh,90,0,-90 PositionMesh mesh,100,0,40 TriMesh=ODETriMeshCreate(mesh) If you rotate after positioning instead of before, that also causes problems. Plus, note the use of ScaleMesh - don't use ScaleEntity it won't work properly. |

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With the current set up of ODE, It's very hard to determine which objects collide. In Tokamak, You can set whether Objects provide Feedback, Impulse, both or neither upon collision. Is there anymore collision commands that are in ODE that still need to be added to The Blitz incarnation? I was thinking that ODE would be a great replacement to Tokamak, but I am beginning to think that it would be nice to combine the capabilities of both. Arkon are ya still out there? Are there more features your adding to ODE here on the Blitz side? |

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Eric, do you have these new collision handling commands posted by arkon? http://playerfactory.proboards25.com/index.cgi?board=odedemos&action=display&num=1095645888 |

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Yes I Do have these commands, I can resolve a collison between Lets Say My Ship Geom and the TriMesh.. Collision Counts have gone up as much as 20. Also on my Trimesh are a bunch of cubes we will call Cargo. I want to detect collision between my ship and the Cargo. Nothing I have tried seems to work. I have tried to do collision counts for the Cargo, but that is very slow. Any Ideas? |

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Basically, it's important for us to return the collided body or geometry of the other party. All we need are the handles as we can do the lookup stuff... |

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Is this a community project or something? |

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Yes and no. arkon is working (brilliantly, I might add!) on the Blitz Wrapper but the source is available to modify. Maybe it is an old version, but I`m sure its out there.. |

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It's great. I've been reading thru the manual and playing with the tutorials. Heck I'm even learning some about render tweening. I prefer delta T and have converted a few examples. Thanks Arkon |

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NOOB-ATTACK: Where can i find the tutorials to ODE and simple learn by examples? |

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There arent any proper examples and tutorials as such yet mate, but if you grab the wrapper there are examples that come with it which show how to do various things. There are also the docs at www.ode.org |

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I've modified the cart demo to support two carts, and I'm adding udp to make it multiuser. I was wondering what good stratagies there are for resolving physics running on two machines, or just running on one. Comments ? |

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Where is the most uptodate zip with all the above stuff added to it so I can download it. |

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Yavin, the latest zip is available from Rob's site: www.redflame.net/hosted/BlitzODE_0_5_b.zip @BloodLocust: Can you confirm what happens with the rotation bug you're getting? Also, has anyone else experienced sudden pauses in the physics? It takes a while before it shows and lasts about 2 seconds then resumes as normal. |

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yep! i have that. blitz continues running but ode stands still! |

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Ah, bugger :) I was hoping it was a mistake on my part, that HAS to be fixed asap. Maybe a problem with the DLL passing data to and from Blitz? Is that something arkon will need to look into? |

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duno what it is... but blitz doesnt freeze. all the rest of the items work, but ODE objects hang still :/ |

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Yeah, that's exactly what happens here, damn I hope it can be fixed. |

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me too though at the moment, im still using the OLD ode now :D |

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The rotation bug is a simple rotate GEOMETRY bug. Create a cylinder geo and rotate that before adding it to the body. It seems to have no effect at all. |

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I starting to make OGRE wrapper for BlitzBasic. Want to know opinions about need in that.. :) ODE will be include in this wrapper. Thats is first mini-demo: blitz.pp.ru/file/BlitzOGRE.zip Necessary to copy files in userlibs catalog to userlibs catalog of blitz. Warning!!! Don't run him in blitz-shell. In this time works only exe compiling files. Topic: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=39039 |

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Are you still working on ODE? |

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Yes |

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Arkon, I tried the demo and get the following message when trying to compile ==> function otest not found. .. I removed the first line of code and compiled. Says it can't find D3D9.dll DX9 required for this ? ODE Wrapper is fantastic. |

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Thats Nice. I was planning to use this with blitz max, so getting an early shot of it in blitz3d will be good. |

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How can I use ODE with not built-in geometry-models (not cube or sphere)? I have a table with two chairs. thanx |

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Is anyone going to do some "proper" docs for this? (ie. not www.ode.org - I mean specific B3D docs like Toka has) Also any examples and tutorials? I would be more than happy to host these if webspace is the problem? Last but not least, does anyone fancy chattin on MSN about ODE, I`m online quite a lot and wouldn`t mind other peeps to experiment with. Add me: rik187@... Cheers! |

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James Boyd. How bout a quick install blurb at beginning of thread. 1,2,3. how to install ODS and Wrapper. where to get it , etc... |

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how do i use a blitz Terrain with ODE? i dont under stand this much |

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Is it possible to use ODE for some ragdoll physics? |

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Neomancer: how do i use a blitz Terrain with ODE? i dont under stand this much I don't think it's possible, you would need to create a trimesh of the terrain so that ODE knows its geometry. But as a terrain isn't a mesh entity it won't create one. You will probably need to convert the terrain into a mesh somehow. @ARKON: Do you think it will be possible to fix the ODE freezing problem? (ODE stops working at random for around 1 second, then continues again - see above posts) |

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FYI FLE terrains work well. |

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Yeah, FLE doesn't create a Blitz terrain but it does create a mesh based on a heightmap (like Blitz terrains). Neomancer, you could create a trimesh of the exported FLE mesh, that will work ok. |

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cool. next question. terrains useually big!! i need a detailed terrain. Too many tris |

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Is it possible to use ODE for some ragdoll physics? does anyone know? |

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of course it is. Ragdoll is just joints and geometry... There are no special secrets other than what you imagine. You know how joints work, and of course rigid bodies. Look at the examples, there's one that swings out a number of connected objects. Each of those can simply be arms and legs. |

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Cheers Blood, I know its a newb question but I`m still learning all this physics malarkey. I wish I had listened in Maths and Physics at school.. :) |

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yeah you don't need maths and fisics all you need is a basic understanding of how things work. If tie a piece of string around a brick and swing it, what will happen? in ODE, the brick is a rigid body, the string is a rigid body (or lots of them connected for realism). And to connect them we simplify it with hinges and joints. |

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Id like to see some better examples of driving a car with ODE before I commit to a project. in saying that though what we have just now is good. Anyone got any arcade style car physics done that they would like to share ? |

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whats left on the ODE wrapper ? any outstanding issues left ? |

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RE: Cylinder geometry bug Here is a workaround for the cylinder geometry rotation bug until arkon fixes the wrapper, it looks like the x plane is out by 90 degrees: g.TODEGeom=New TODEGeom g\body=ODE_dBodyCreate() ODE_dBodySetRotation(g\body,0,0,0) ODE_dBodySetPosition(g\body,20,20,20) g\geom=ODE_dCreateCCylinder(space,4,8,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody g\geom,g\body g\mesh=CreateCylinder() ScaleMesh g\mesh,4,8,4 RotateMesh g\mesh,90,0,0 ; <<<< FIX HERE PositionMesh g\mesh,0,0,0 Rotate the mesh by 90 degrees (or -90), this will align the mesh to the cylinder geometry correctly, then use ODE_dBodySetRotation(g\body,0,0,0) to rotate the cylinder in your world space. |

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From my experiments the lastest wrapper has x/z swapping. I'll continue to add what commands has the problem. ode_dbodyvectorfromworldx() ode_dbodyvectorfromworldz() ode_dbodygetlinearvelx() ode_dbodygetlinearvelz() ode_dbodycreatebox() ode_dbodysetposition() |

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can someone do a ragdoll physics demo please |

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People giving up on ODE already? |

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I'm working with it. Driving the cart around on some Martian terrain. |

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I'm still waiting to see if anyone is going to show a better example of car driving with it, but other than that Im working on something else with it. I really wana see a good car example though. |

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still, to this day, havent managed a car demo :( can do one piss easy with the old version! |

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I've got the ODE wrapper working ok with cars here, still needs some tweaking but it's not too bad. It isn't ready for a demo yet though :( Anyone seen arkon around? I'd like to know what can be done about the freezing physics thing... |

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okay okay, ive got a demo, had one put together super quick, but, the physics just dont function right- like, friciton on the wheels, as ive said above, the back wheels move around when i steer making my car look like a fish out of water, yet the friction is set and when i drive, its super sticky... :/ |

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Cygnus: the back wheels move around when i steer I had that problem too, I think it's because the joints are coming apart. Raising the 'world' error correction setting cured this for me... Try adding ODE_dWorldSetERP(1) after your ODE_dWorldCreate(1) command. Any chance of a new thread Mods? My 56K connection is creaking under the strain. |

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im thinking you shouldnt set that to 1 ;) Nope, that didnt fix it... Cheers anyhoo Yeah, time for a new thread now? yup, cuz im struggling on this 567kb ADSL |

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That setting can range from 0.0 to 1.0 - it's at 0.2 by default. Have you made sure you've set the stops on both of the rear joints? ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param(joint,dParamLoStop,0) ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param(joint,dParamHiStop,0) |

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yup... thats not the sort of moving im talkin about... ode allows 0-1 but .1-.9 is best (thereabouts)... |

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OMG! This page just took 1 second on my 1.5mb BB connection. New thread at once! :) PS. Where is arkon - is he still workin on it? Seems he had a wrapper frenzy (ODE, OGRE etc) which seems to have died? |

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Arkon, Any scheduled tweaks to ODE planned soon ? |

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Arkon was around earlier im sure :/ |

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burgh... :( im having zero luck with this car thingy Could someone here (if they have already, post a link...) shove together a car demo? (not just the one that comes with ODE- that one suffers from all kindsa bugs.) Ive got quite far with the engine but i just cant get my car creation routine to work. If i have some working code to look at i can learn. Id absolutely love to see that quadbike example code, that works a dream and its exactly what ive got with my old engine running with the old ODE wrapper. Never had any of these problems- of course, im not saying the old one was better at all, no chance... im just struggling with the upgrade side of things :( |

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works with ODE lead with creating of Nebula2, so, as this powerfully interconnected |

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I've put together a simple car demo... http://www.blitzbasic.com/codearcs/codearcs.php?code=1175 |

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Cheers, thsi should realy help me out on my conversion- Il have to do it later now mind- im at work atm! Oh, and can we have ODE up in the tools pleae Admins? And a link to a fresh, clean ZIP file would be nice in the top of this thread :/ |

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I need more collision commands... Arkon, any chance? |

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Heheh/. *big red face* Peeps wana know what caused all my ODE hassle? its WORSE than what youd think. I was being a total idiot. lower the weight of my wheels and altered the suspention- this stopped the fishness :D Cheers to Vip3r- I studied his code and noticed the differences. :D |

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nice one. WE NEED MORE GOOD CAR CODE> |

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RIP ODE :( |

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Recycling some code for this jeep demo, Grab psionic jeep model first, then try it out. http://www.psionic3d.co.uk/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Free%20Stuff/3D%20Models Graphics3D 800,600,16,1 Include "BlitzODE.bb" Global Cvis=False cmass#=150; chassis mass tmass#=75 ; tire mass ice=False jeep=LoadMesh("jeep1.3ds") ScaleEntity jeep,.4,.4,.4 TranslateEntity jeep,0,-1.6,-1.5 cam=CreateCamera() PositionEntity cam,0,2,-8 l=CreateLight(2) PositionEntity l,-5,10,-5 LightRange l,10 AmbientLight 200,200,200 pl=CreatePlane(16) EntityAlpha pl,.5 texpl=CreateTexture(128,128,1+8) Color 255,255,255 Rect 0,0,64,64,1 Rect 64,64,64,64,1 CopyRect 0,0,128,128,0,0,BackBuffer(),TextureBuffer(texpl) ScaleTexture texpl,6,6 EntityTexture pl,texpl,0,0 m=CreateMirror() ;---- Setting contact parameters --- ;ODE_dSetContactMode(dContactBounce + dContactSoftERP + dContactSoftCFM + dSlip1 + dSlip2) ODE_dSetMU(.9); Friction (smaller slippery) ODE_dSetBOUNCE(.5) ODE_dSetSOFT_ERP(.5) ODE_dSetSOFT_CFM(.01) ;------------------------------- ;Crear un Espacio para ODE: Global space = ODE_dWorldCreate(1) ;------------------------------- ;Chasis ode_body1=ODE_dBodyCreate() geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.3,.5,4,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body1 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body1,0,4,-2 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body1,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body1,cmass vis1=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis1,.15,.25,2 EntityColor vis1,255,100,0 ;rueda der ode_body2=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body2 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body2,2,3,0 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body2,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body2,tmass vis2=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis2,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis2,100,255,0 ;rueda izq ode_body3=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body3 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body3,-2,3,0 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body3,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body3,tmass vis3=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis3,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis3,100,255,0 ;Traseras ;rueda der ode_body4=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body4 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body4,2,3,-4 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body4,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body4,tmass vis4=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis4,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis4,0,0,255 ;rueda izq ode_body5=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body5 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body5,-2,3,-4 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body5,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body5,tmass vis5=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis5,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis5,0,0,255 ;Joints joint1=ODE_dJointCreateBall() ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,ode_body1 ODE_dJointSetBallAnchor joint1,0,5,0 ;ODE_dJointSetUniversalAxis1 joint1,0,0,.1 ;ODE_dJointSetUniversalAxis2 joint1,1,0,0 suspension_hard#=8 suspension_soft#=.108 ; Increase to make shocks soft and springy ;rueda der joint2=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint2,ode_body1,ode_body2 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint2,1.875,3,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint2,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint2,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;rueda izq joint3=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint3,ode_body1,ode_body3 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint3,-1.875,3,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint3,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint3,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;Joints Traseros: ;rueda der joint4=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint4,ode_body1,ode_body4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint4,1.875,3,-4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint4,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint4,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;rueda izq joint5=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint5,ode_body1,ode_body5 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint5,-1.875,3,-4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint5,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint5,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft EntityParent jeep,vis1 ;------- Create fixed box ---------- geom = ODE_dCreateBox(space, 15, .1, 25, 10) ODE_dGeomSetPosition(geom, 40, 2.5, 0) ODE_dGeomSetRotation(geom, 0, 0, 20) mesh = CreateCube() PositionEntity mesh, 40, 2.5, 0 RotateEntity mesh, 0, 0, 20 ScaleMesh mesh, .5, .05, .5 ScaleEntity mesh, 15, 1, 25 EntityAlpha vis1,cvis EntityAlpha vis2,cvis EntityAlpha vis3,cvis EntityAlpha vis4,cvis EntityAlpha vis5,cvis millis#=MilliSecs() millis2#=MilliSecs() elapsed#=0 While Not KeyDown(1) millis=MilliSecs()-millis elapsed=millis millis=MilliSecs() ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body1 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body2 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body3 mxs#=mxs#+(MouseXSpeed()-mxs#)/3 mys#=mys#+(MouseYSpeed()-mys#)/3 MoveMouse GraphicsWidth()/2,GraphicsHeight()/2 If KeyDown(203) Or KeyDown(205) Then mxs=0 EndIf If KeyDown(200) ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body2,40,0,0 ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body3,40,0,0 EndIf If KeyDown(208) ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body2,-40,0,0 ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body3,-40,0,0 EndIf If mxs=0 Then angle#=Pi/4 Else angle#=Pi/(80/Abs(mxs)) EndIf If KeyDown(203) Or mxs<0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,angle ElseIf KeyDown(205) Or mxs>0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,-angle Else ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 EndIf If KeyHit(30) ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,0 EndIf If KeyHit(31) ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,ode_body1 EndIf ; (I)ce If KeyHit(23) Then Ice=Not Ice If Ice Then ODE_dSetMU(.1); Else ODE_dSetMU(.9); End If End If If KeyHit(19) Then cvis=Not cvis EntityAlpha vis1,cvis EntityAlpha vis2,cvis EntityAlpha vis3,cvis EntityAlpha vis4,cvis EntityAlpha vis5,cvis End If ;------------- PositionEntity vis1,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body1) RotateEntity vis1,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body1) PositionEntity vis2,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body2) RotateEntity vis2,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body2) PositionEntity vis3,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body3) RotateEntity vis3,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body3) PositionEntity vis4,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body4) RotateEntity vis4,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body4) PositionEntity vis5,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body5) RotateEntity vis5,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body5) ;------------- ODE_dWorldQuickStep .1 ODE_dWorldQuickStep .1 ; chase_cam_dist=15 PointEntity cam,vis1 ed#=EntityDistance(cam,vis1) If ed#>chase_cam_dist Then MoveEntity cam,0,0,(ed#-chase_cam_dist)/2 PositionEntity cam,EntityX(cam),EntityY(vis1)+5,EntityZ(cam) End If UpdateWorld If ice Then CameraClsColor cam,200,200,200 Else CameraClsColor cam,0,0,128 End If RenderWorld ; Text 10,10,elapsed ; Text 10,20,ODE_dBodyGetAngularVelX(ode_body2) Text 10,30,"press A to release the car attach" Text 10,40,"press S to force a re-attach of the car" Text 10,50,"press R to hide/show rigid body frame" Text 10,60,"Ice=" + ice text 10,70,"Steer Mouse or Arrow keys" Text 10,80,"use ARROWS to move" Flip Wend ODE_dCloseODE() MoveMouse 400,300:End |

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Arkon, may we have the source code to the wrapper to remove the last two bugs aka cylinder and pausing? Thanks |

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this bugs already removed... |

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oh, where linky? ^>^ |

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will be soon... |

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rIKmAN: RIP ODE :( Stop doomsday'ing :) (if there is such a thing) @rtur: this bugs already removed... Good work, looking forward to testing it out. <yell>How about a new thread please mods</yell> |

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Get the jeep from above and check it out. Ramp, lift dynamics to enhance jumps, mouse steering, and optional ice surface. Hope the ODE pausing problem gets fixed soon because I'm really liking ODE. Graphics3D 800,600,16,1 Include "BlitzODE.bb" Global Cvis=False cmass#=150; chassis mass tmass#=75 ; tire mass ice=False jeep=LoadMesh("jeep1.3ds") ScaleEntity jeep,.4,.4,.4 TranslateEntity jeep,0,-1.6,-1.5 cam=CreateCamera() PositionEntity cam,0,2,-8 l=CreateLight(2) PositionEntity l,-5,10,-5 LightRange l,10 AmbientLight 200,200,200 pl=CreatePlane(16) EntityAlpha pl,.5 texpl=CreateTexture(128,128,1+8) Color 255,255,255 Rect 0,0,64,64,1 Rect 64,64,64,64,1 CopyRect 0,0,128,128,0,0,BackBuffer(),TextureBuffer(texpl) ScaleTexture texpl,6,6 EntityTexture pl,texpl,0,0 m=CreateMirror() ;---- Setting contact parameters --- ;ODE_dSetContactMode(dContactBounce + dContactSoftERP + dContactSoftCFM + dSlip1 + dSlip2) ODE_dSetMU(1.9); Friction (smaller slippery) ODE_dSetBOUNCE(.5) ODE_dSetSOFT_ERP(.5) ODE_dSetSOFT_CFM(.01) ;------------------------------- ;Crear un Espacio para ODE: Global space = ODE_dWorldCreate(1) ;------------------------------- ;Chasis ode_body1=ODE_dBodyCreate() geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.3,.5,4,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body1 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body1,0,4,-2 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body1,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body1,cmass vis1=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis1,.15,.25,2 EntityColor vis1,255,100,0 ;rueda der ode_body2=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body2 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body2,2,3,0 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body2,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body2,tmass vis2=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis2,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis2,100,255,0 ;rueda izq ode_body3=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body3 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body3,-2,3,0 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body3,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body3,tmass vis3=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis3,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis3,100,255,0 ;Traseras ;rueda der ode_body4=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body4 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body4,2,3,-4 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body4,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body4,tmass vis4=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis4,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis4,0,0,255 ;rueda izq ode_body5=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body5 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body5,-2,3,-4 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body5,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body5,tmass vis5=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis5,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis5,0,0,255 ;Joints joint1=ODE_dJointCreateBall() ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,ode_body1 ODE_dJointSetBallAnchor joint1,0,5,0 ;ODE_dJointSetUniversalAxis1 joint1,0,0,.1 ;ODE_dJointSetUniversalAxis2 joint1,1,0,0 suspension_hard#=8 suspension_soft#=.108 ; Increase to make shocks soft and springy ;rueda der joint2=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint2,ode_body1,ode_body2 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint2,1.875,3,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint2,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint2,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;rueda izq joint3=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint3,ode_body1,ode_body3 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint3,-1.875,3,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint3,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint3,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;Joints Traseros: ;rueda der joint4=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint4,ode_body1,ode_body4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint4,1.875,3,-4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint4,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint4,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;rueda izq joint5=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint5,ode_body1,ode_body5 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint5,-1.875,3,-4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint5,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint5,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft EntityParent jeep,vis1 ;------- Create fixed box ---------- geom = ODE_dCreateBox(space, 15, .1, 25, 10) ODE_dGeomSetPosition(geom, 40, 2.5, 0) ODE_dGeomSetRotation(geom, 0, 0, 20) mesh = CreateCube() PositionEntity mesh, 40, 2.5, 0 RotateEntity mesh, 0, 0, 20 ScaleMesh mesh, .5, .05, .5 ScaleEntity mesh, 15, 1, 25 EntityColor mesh,255,255,0 EntityAlpha vis1,cvis EntityAlpha vis2,cvis EntityAlpha vis3,cvis EntityAlpha vis4,cvis EntityAlpha vis5,cvis millis#=MilliSecs() millis2#=MilliSecs() elapsed#=0 While Not KeyDown(1) millis=MilliSecs()-millis elapsed=millis millis=MilliSecs() ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body1 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body2 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body3 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body4 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body5 mxs#=mxs#+(MouseXSpeed()-mxs#)/3 mys#=mys#+(MouseYSpeed()-mys#)/3 MoveMouse GraphicsWidth()/2,GraphicsHeight()/2 If KeyDown(203) Or KeyDown(205) Then mxs=0 EndIf If KeyDown(200) ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body2,40,0,0 ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body3,40,0,0 EndIf If KeyDown(208) ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body2,-40,0,0 ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body3,-40,0,0 EndIf If mxs=0 Then angle#=Pi/4 Else angle#=Pi/(80/Abs(mxs)) EndIf If KeyDown(203) Or mxs<0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,angle ElseIf KeyDown(205) Or mxs>0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,-angle Else ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 EndIf If KeyHit(30) ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,0 EndIf If KeyHit(31) ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,ode_body1 EndIf ; (I)ce If KeyHit(23) Then Ice=Not Ice If Ice Then ODE_dSetMU(.1); Else ODE_dSetMU(1.9); End If End If If KeyHit(19) Then cvis=Not cvis EntityAlpha vis1,cvis EntityAlpha vis2,cvis EntityAlpha vis3,cvis EntityAlpha vis4,cvis EntityAlpha vis5,cvis End If ;------------- PositionEntity vis1,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body1) RotateEntity vis1,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body1) PositionEntity vis2,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body2) RotateEntity vis2,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body2) PositionEntity vis3,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body3) RotateEntity vis3,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body3) PositionEntity vis4,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body4) RotateEntity vis4,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body4) PositionEntity vis5,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body5) RotateEntity vis5,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body5) ;------------- ODE_dWorldQuickStep .1 ODE_dWorldQuickStep .1 ; chase_cam_dist=15 PointEntity cam,vis1 ed#=EntityDistance(cam,vis1) If ed#>chase_cam_dist Then MoveEntity cam,0,0,(ed#-chase_cam_dist)/2 PositionEntity cam,EntityX(cam),EntityY(vis1)+5,EntityZ(cam) End If UpdateWorld If ice Then CameraClsColor cam,200,200,200 Else CameraClsColor cam,0,0,128 End If RenderWorld ; Add lift if we are above this alt If EntityY(vis1)>3 Then ODE_dBodySetForce(ode_body1,0,650,0) EndIf ; Text 10,10,elapsed ; Text 10,20,ODE_dBodyGetAngularVelX(ode_body2) Text 10,30,"press A to release the car attach" Text 10,40,"press S to force a re-attach of the car" Text 10,50,"press R to hide/show rigid body frame" Text 10,60,"press I to hide/show Ice, Ice=" + ice Text 10,100,"ARROWS to move, steer, mouse steer" Flip Wend ODE_dCloseODE() MoveMouse 400,300:End |

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>Good work, looking forward to testing it out. i'm not author of wrapper, but i'm from russian comunity too ;) so i know that ode wrapper currently has no bugs with freezing... just wait some time... |

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Linkylinkylinklinklink? :P Has the "shaky collisions" bug been fixed also? ^.^ |

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I don't know nothing about "shaky collisions" bug... |

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um, when you drive a car fast... the wheels seem to bounce off the floor realy quickly so it looks like its shaking.. IM sure someone posted about it above... |

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check the ODE FAQ for stable simulation information and suggestions. I'll just be happy to see the freezing go away. What causes the freezing ? Could it be garbage collection ?? If it's fixed can we have it ? Must be the Russian winter has slowed things down.. Hope fix comes soon comrade. 8) |

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its not the simulation cocking up. :Ponce it starts bumping a bit, it doesnt stop- even if i halt everything. Whats the chance of this being another case of blitz collision bug? |

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Cygnus the Second, If it's the code I posted above it's all ODE, and NO BLITZ COLLISIONS INVOLVED. What speed is your machine ? |

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Updated program to only call ODE physics code every 15ms.Graphics3D 800,600,16,1 Include "BlitzODE.bb" Global Cvis=False cmass#=150; chassis mass tmass#=80 ; tire mass ice=False jeep=LoadMesh("jeep1.3ds") ScaleEntity jeep,.4,.4,.4 TranslateEntity jeep,0,-1.6,-1.5 cam=CreateCamera() PositionEntity cam,0,2,-8 l=CreateLight(2) PositionEntity l,-5,10,-5 LightRange l,10 AmbientLight 200,200,200 pl=CreatePlane(16) EntityAlpha pl,.5 texpl=CreateTexture(128,128,1+8) Color 255,255,255 Rect 0,0,64,64,1 Rect 64,64,64,64,1 CopyRect 0,0,128,128,0,0,BackBuffer(),TextureBuffer(texpl) ScaleTexture texpl,6,6 EntityTexture pl,texpl,0,0 m=CreateMirror() ;---- Setting contact parameters --- ;ODE_dSetContactMode(dContactBounce + dContactSoftERP + dContactSoftCFM + dSlip1 + dSlip2) ODE_dSetMU(1.9); Friction (smaller slippery) ODE_dSetBOUNCE(.5) ODE_dSetSOFT_ERP(.5) ODE_dSetSOFT_CFM(.01) ;------------------------------- ;Crear un Espacio para ODE: Global space = ODE_dWorldCreate(1) ;------------------------------- ;Chassis ode_body1=ODE_dBodyCreate() geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.3,.5,4,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body1 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body1,0,4,-2 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body1,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body1,cmass vis1=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis1,.15,.25,2 EntityColor vis1,255,100,0 ;rueda der ode_body2=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body2 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body2,2,3,0 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body2,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body2,tmass vis2=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis2,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis2,100,255,0 ;rueda izq ode_body3=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body3 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body3,-2,3,0 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body3,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body3,tmass vis3=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis3,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis3,100,255,0 ;Traseras ;rueda der ode_body4=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body4 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body4,2,3,-4 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body4,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body4,tmass vis4=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis4,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis4,0,0,255 ;rueda izq ode_body5=ODE_dBodyCreate() ;geom=ODE_dCreateBox(space,.25,1,1,10) geom=ODE_dCreateSphere(space,1,10) ODE_dGeomSetBody geom,ode_body5 ODE_dBodySetPosition ode_body5,-2,3,-4 ODE_dBodySetRotation ode_body5,0,0,0 ODE_dBodySetMass ode_body5,tmass vis5=CreateCube() ScaleEntity vis5,.125,.5,.5 EntityColor vis5,0,0,255 ;Joints joint1=ODE_dJointCreateBall() ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,ode_body1 ODE_dJointSetBallAnchor joint1,0,5,0 ;ODE_dJointSetUniversalAxis1 joint1,0,0,.1 ;ODE_dJointSetUniversalAxis2 joint1,1,0,0 suspension_hard#=8 suspension_soft#=.15 ; Increase to make shocks soft and springy ;Roll cage ;joint0=ODE_dJointCreateFixed() ; ODE_dJointAttach joint0,ode_body1,ode_body6 ;rueda der joint2=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint2,ode_body1,ode_body2 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint2,1.875,3,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint2,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint2,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;rueda izq joint3=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint3,ode_body1,ode_body3 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint3,-1.875,3,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint3,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint3,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;Joints Traseros: ;rueda der joint4=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint4,ode_body1,ode_body4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint4,1.875,3,-4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint4,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint4,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint4,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft ;rueda izq joint5=ODE_dJointCreateHinge2() ODE_dJointAttach joint5,ode_body1,ode_body5 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Anchor joint5,-1.875,3,-4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis1 joint5,0,1,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Axis2 joint5,1,0,0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamSuspensionERP,suspension_hard ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint5,dParamSuspensionCFM,suspension_soft EntityParent jeep,vis1 ;------- Create fixed box ---------- geom = ODE_dCreateBox(space, 15, .1, 35, 10) ODE_dGeomSetPosition(geom, 40, 2.5, 0) ODE_dGeomSetRotation(geom, 0, 0, 20) mesh = CreateCube() PositionEntity mesh, 40, 2.5, 0 RotateEntity mesh, 0, 0, 20 ScaleMesh mesh, .5, .05, .5 ScaleEntity mesh, 15, 1, 35 EntityAlpha vis1,cvis EntityAlpha vis2,cvis EntityAlpha vis3,cvis EntityAlpha vis4,cvis EntityAlpha vis5,cvis millis#=MilliSecs() elapsed#=millis#-millis2# millis2#=millis1# While Not KeyDown(1) millis1=MilliSecs() elapsed=millis1-millis millis=millis1 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body1 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body2 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body3 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body4 ODE_dBodyEnable ode_body5 mxs#=mxs#+(MouseXSpeed()-mxs#)/3 mys#=mys#+(MouseYSpeed()-mys#)/3 MoveMouse GraphicsWidth()/2,GraphicsHeight()/2 If KeyDown(203) Or KeyDown(205) Then mxs=0 EndIf If KeyDown(200) ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body2,40,0,0 ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body3,40,0,0 EndIf If KeyDown(208) ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body2,-40,0,0 ODE_dBodyAddRelTorque ode_body3,-40,0,0 EndIf If mxs=0 Then angle#=Pi/4 Else angle#=Pi/(90/Abs(mxs)) EndIf If KeyDown(203) Or mxs<0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,angle ElseIf KeyDown(205) Or mxs>0 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,-angle ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,-angle Else ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint2,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamLoStop,0;-Pi/4 ODE_dJointSetHinge2Param joint3,dParamHiStop,0;Pi/4 EndIf If KeyHit(30) ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,0 EndIf If KeyHit(31) ODE_dJointAttach joint1,0,ode_body1 EndIf ; (I)ce If KeyHit(23) Then Ice=Not Ice If Ice Then ODE_dSetMU(.1); Else ODE_dSetMU(1.8); End If End If If KeyHit(19) Then cvis=Not cvis EntityAlpha vis1,cvis EntityAlpha vis2,cvis EntityAlpha vis3,cvis EntityAlpha vis4,cvis EntityAlpha vis5,cvis End If ;------------- PositionEntity vis1,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body1) RotateEntity vis1,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body1),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body1) PositionEntity vis2,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body2) RotateEntity vis2,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body2),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body2) PositionEntity vis3,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body3) RotateEntity vis3,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body3),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body3) PositionEntity vis4,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body4) RotateEntity vis4,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body4),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body4) PositionEntity vis5,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body5) RotateEntity vis5,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body5),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body5) ;PositionEntity vis6,ODE_dBodyGetPositionX(ode_body6),ODE_dBodyGetPositionY(ode_body6),ODE_dBodyGetPositionZ(ode_body6) ;RotateEntity vis6,ODE_dBodyGetPitch(ode_body6),ODE_dBodyGetYaw(ode_body6),ODE_dBodyGetRoll(ode_body6) ;------------- PrimeTime#=PrimeTime+elapsed# If PrimeTime#>15 Then Ptime1#=MilliSecs() ODE_dWorldQuickStep .1 ODE_dWorldQuickStep .1 Ptime2#=MilliSecs() PrimeTime#=PrimeTime#-15 End If ; chase_cam_dist=15 PointEntity cam,vis1 ed#=EntityDistance(cam,vis1) If ed#>chase_cam_dist Then MoveEntity cam,0,0,(ed#-chase_cam_dist)/2 PositionEntity cam,EntityX(cam),EntityY(vis1)+5,EntityZ(cam) End If UpdateWorld If ice Then CameraClsColor cam,200,200,200 Else CameraClsColor cam,0,0,128 End If If EntityY(vis1)>4 Then ODE_dBodyAddForce(ode_body1, 0,650,0) EndIf RenderWorld Text 10,10,"Time: "+ elapsed# + "ms" Text 10,20,"Ang Vel: " + ODE_dBodyGetAngularVelX(ode_body2) Text 10,30,"press A to release the car attach" Text 10,40,"press S to force a re-attach of the car" Text 10,50,"press R to hide/show rigid body frame" Text 10,60,"Ice=" + ice Text 10,70,"Hgt: " + EntityY(vis1) Text 10,90,"Physics Time: " + Str(Ptime2#-Ptime1#) + "ms" Text 10,100,"use ARROWS to move" If elapsed>max_elapsed Then max_elapsed=elapsed EndIf Flip Wend ODE_dCloseODE() MoveMouse 400,300:End |

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Nah its not youre code playing up... ive written my own car code- and youre right. it does appear that im using blitz collisions along with the ODE ones.. fixed now. cheers for the lil hint there.. :D |

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I went and examined the ODE examples and noticed:dWorldStep (world,0.05); // remove all contact joints dJointGroupEmpty (contactgroup); So is ODE is freezing because we are not emptying the contact joints, and triggering some kind of garbage collection? Do we need the following? Global contactgroup=ODE_dJointGroupCreate(0) and place this after the world step ? ODE_dJointGroupEmpty(contactgroup) Just thinking out loud here. hehe |

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When can we see a new demo without ODE freezing ? |

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Arkon, I read ODE license, and it's my understanding if you modify the ODE library and distribute it with your product which is free or fee, your required to provide the modified source code to the ODE Library. For example, if you distribute copies of the library, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that we gave you. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. If you link other code with the library, you must provide complete object files to the recipients, so that they can relink them with the library after making changes to the library and recompiling it. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. Entire license here: http://opensource.org/licenses/lgpl-license.php Just a FYI |

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Please post update without the freezing bug.. |

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RIP ODE x2 :( |

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Pretty Sad, Looked like it was 99 percent done too. I'm heading over to Tokamak country. The way ARKON coded the ODE wrapper violates the ODE license by not providing the modified ODE Library source. |

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Think I`ll use Toka too....though not for anything to do with cars - which is why I used ODE to begin with. *sigh* |

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jeez. ODE is NOT DEAD! |

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@rtur, I tried to email you but your email domain name does not exist. |

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Im sure there are a few people out there using this right now for cool projects. I'm wondering if any of them would want to pop in the thread and show us what it is ? I hope work on this continues. |

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All the physics in my WorldStorm Engine are done via ODE, it is very functional: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=40323 |

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its a damn shame. it really is. |

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I plan to sell the ODE wrapper together with all rights and source codes. Those whom it interests, I ask to write on arkon@... and duplicate on arkon@.... |

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/me wont be doing that then.. I think I'll just stick with the current wrapper I have and be thankfull it took this long before you chose to sell it. Can you sell it ?? /me goes off to find the tor from the creators of ode |

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I want to sell wrapper with all rights on his sale, use, etc. behind details write me on arkon@... |

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Yavin, where can I find the current wrapper you've mentioned? Did you compile it yourself? |

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@Arkon: Unfortunately, you are now competing with your own previous free releases. I don't think it's wrong at all for you to charge something for your efforts, but you should probably keep it as inexpensive as you can. Remember, you are also competing with the Tokamak wrapper. I would also suggest setting a fee publicly rather than trying to negotiate privately. To ALL who would rather just use a previous release: As long as he keeps his fee low, I think we're all better off supporting Arkon's efforts. Hopefully, he will continue to support the wrapper as ODE continues to develop. |

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Request... Beginner Tutorials - like your explaining it to a nine year old, and function descriptions. Regards, Rogue Vector |

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1) WHY is he trying to sell the wrapper? 2) Why not just finish the damn thing? 3) He does NOT have to give out the source code! Whoever said that can't read! The license page of ODE allows one to use either the BSD license or the LGPL license. The LGPL license is evil. The BSD license allows you to distribute the binaries without the code, but you must include the credits and the file below: BSD License Open Dynamics Engine Copyright (c) 2001-2004, Russell L. Smith. All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. I'm sick of seeing 99% of the projects not getting finished. Just fix the freezing in the physics engine and it's done! And it's legal! And you don't have to give out source code! |

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Just fix the freezing in the physics engine and it's done! I suspect that 'bug' was put in intentionally to prevent anyone from making full use of the wrapper until the 'commercial' version was released. Arkon did a great job with the wrapper and it will be a real shame if the Blitz community never gets the chance to use it to its full potential. Just imagine how Blitz would shine if only it was usable, I'm gutted tbh. |

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There's nothing wrong or shameful about getting paid for one's work. Especially if making games or tools for Blitz3D users is what the guy wants to do for a living. If a guy is making development tools, why NOT pay him and support his efforts? "Oh no, he might eventually make a living off of this!" Is it very bad to make a living off of something that is fun just because nobody else can make the same wrapper? I still would like to see this finished and supported for whatever money it would cost, just like I would like to see more cool Blitz3D games finished and released. |

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Erm, I never said I don't think Arkon should be paid for his work V, if he wants to go that way that's up to him. Also, Arkon isn't the only one here capable of wrapping ODE btw. |

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Capable and finished are not the same things, to repeat my point :) |

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What? So ODE isn't even functional in Blitz at this point? |

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Is there a reason none of the samples work, do i have to declare the ode dll somewhere in blitz3d or something? Sorry never used dll addons before. |

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You have to copy the .decls and .dll files in the "userlibs" folder of Blitz3D. You also have to distribute the .dll with each .exe you make that use its functions. |

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So ODE isn't even functional in Blitz at this point? Yes and no, it works fine most of the time but there is an intermittent freezing of the physics, making the wrapper mostly unusable in its current form. This 'bug' was said to have been fixed, but not released. |

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OK, I've got a question.... I'm just beginning to use ODE, and I'm planning to use it in a beta of my game. I couldn't find a well-documented tutorial of how to fix my problem. I have that jeep mesh from above, and in that demo, I just substituted that plane for my "Arctic" level. The jeep just goes straight through the terrain, it doesn't even go up the hill. So I need to fix this. In his code above, how would I take a non-BlitzTerrain with that plane? And I tried copying that code to my own program, but it says "Variable type mismatch" and highlights where I global "dParamHiStop" and "dParamLoStop." How would I fix this? |

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That Arkon guy offerec to sell me the source, which I wasn't interested in, because of the existing bugs...makes me think the code isn't very good. I'm having a couple of people look at compiling a new dll, and I told them they can probably make a few bucks off of, but I will try to tell them to keep the price low. If they just sold it at $10 a pop (for the work of setting ODE up as a DLL) a lot of people would buy it. |

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I'd buy a bug free DLL in a heartbeat. I like the way ODE works. Once you get hooked on ODE you want it. 8) |

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$10? I'll buy two if you can make 100% perfect ODE DLL. |

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Too right. I'll buy two at that price as well!! :D |

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I've spent most part of the weekend wrapping ODE in a dl suitable for use in Blitz. It only needs some last touches and that's all. 10€ looks like a reasonable price for it. |

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Lets take that bad boy out for a test drive. |

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I'm gonna buy it - as soon as I figure ODE out. |

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Jeez, ODE has more lives than a cat! :) I was almost ready to abandon the ODE route and try something else instead. How long do you think it will be before a demo/full version is available Jedive? And how stable is it? |

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It is ready, but I am just playing with it a bit before release. In fact, it is currently available, but I won't give the purchase link yet. Give me one day or two ;) |

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I'm ready, I'll even make some demos that Halo can understand. 8) |

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Hey, cool news! Thimbs up, Jedive. Let us know when you have the final version available. Have you done complete set of ODE functions, or is this limited set or something? |

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Complete except for some maths commands which deal with matrices and quaternions (no need of them as I have replaced the rotation commands to use Euler Angles as in Blitz), and some stuff that cannot be used in Blitz like functions callbacks. Collision is done in ODE through a function callback. This function is called by ODE for each pair of geometric objects that collide. The important thing of this functions is the bounce, mu... parameters you use to calculate collision. I have written a standard callback function for the collisions and you can configure the parameters in Blitz. I think that the Arkon wrapper works in a similar way, altohugh I haven't used it too much. |

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Can you make a free version that has limits or something so we can have it now, or do we have to wait till it's frosted and everything ? Can't wait to see how it turns out. Thanks |

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Sounds like you've done a good job there Jedive :) When you are ready to release it, could you start a new thread (BlitzODE Physics Thread 2???) and ask the mods to sticky it? Assuming you call it BlitzODE of course ;) This thread length is now ridiculous @200+ posts. It would be better to start a new one as this is a totally new wrapper. |

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Ok, here it is! http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=43084 |

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For everybody who wants to help in http://ag-tools.com development and to help BlitzODE and BasicGL development group here is a link: http://www.ag-tools.com/donate/ Sure as a token of gratitude everyone will receive BlitzODE without freeze (with source code)... :) |

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Did you fix the invisible object bug? |

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Yes. |

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Yay! |

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Sent a donation but no source to look at? :) |

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Please send me the payment details by my e-mail. |

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Sent but still no reply. |

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Hi everybody. I am new to Blitz 3D and to ODE Physics. I would like to ask if anybody knows if there is any tutorial or some other topic explaining the positioning of objects, sizing, scaling of 3D objects. Being more specific i want to know the working path of creating a 3D object in some program like (3DS Mac, lightwave or any other, then loading this object in Blitz and putting ODE objects on it). Which are the coordinates and sizes of ODE rigid bidies on it, how big must be, and then begin to place the links. Is there any pipeline like this for 3DS uders explaining the above process? |

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In relation to this: Check the BasicGL forums before purchasing BasicGL- "arkon" and "ventru" appear to have gone walkies. www.ag-tools.com/forum/index.php EDIT: arkon (Posted 2005-03-02 04:03:26) Sorry everybody. I can't actively participate in discussions and support, because I have some big troubles with health. In the near future I will continue to work on my projects. Please post all your questions about licensing and BasicGL engine to Modenov Ivan aka MOD at mod@... |

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Does this support soft body physics and cloth? thx |

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No. Last edited 1+ years ago |

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Might want to look at blitzbullet thread a litte further down for soft bodies, etc. - tho no idea how well they will be supporting the lib ongoing but seems fairly solid out the box. |

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