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Playniax5 months ago #1
Pyro for monkey2 basically has 3 main modules. There is the low level ‘framework’ module, a scenegraph module and a gui module. The framework module contains various helpers for graphics, math, base64, serialisation, screen managing, pixel collision, arrays, pathfinding, texture packer, xml and more. I am working towards a first release now so hopefully somewhere this month! The framrwork module will be made available through the Monkey2 module manager and our download page. The framework module of Pyro will be free! Just to be clear, this does not include the scenegraph and gui module! ( scenegraph and gui are commercial products ) I just need to wrap up the docs and examples.

With all this out of the way I can continue work on the editor:



Steve Elliott5 months ago #2
Looking very sharp!


ErikT5 months ago #3
Ooh looks very nice indeed!


Blitzplotter5 months ago #4
Great looking work, crystalline spiky ;)


Playniax5 months ago #5
Thanks guys... Btw, the code to load the level data for Pyro would look something like this:
scene=New Scene

sceneBuilder=New SceneBuilder
sceneBuilder.LoadScene( "asset::level.txt" )
sceneBuilder.BuildScene( scene )



Playniax5 months ago #6
It's now possible to open multiple projects and copy sprite maps between them! Tiles will be a bit harder.

Oh, and I added a context menu! But it doesn't do much yet except look pretty...




Playniax5 months ago #7
From now on 'Pyro for Monkey2' will have a 'new' name simply Pyro 2

I think this makes more sense...


EdzUp MkII5 months ago #8
or Pyro Mx2 ;)


Steve Elliott5 months ago #9

I think this makes more sense...



As would spelling coming correctly ;)


Derron5 months ago #10
He wrote "comming" because it is Monkey 2.


bye
Ron


Playniax5 months ago #11
As would spelling coming correctly


Whoops, semi my bad. I got the first one with the wrong spelling. Contacted by gfx artist to change it. He corrected it and I messed up using the wrong one at the end :(

Thanks for pointing it out! :)


Steve Elliott5 months ago #12
Haha. No probs :)


Playniax5 months ago #13
I just uploaded a new Pyro 2 preview due to some Monkey 2 changes...


Playniax5 months ago #14
Phew, got rotation of multiple objects working!




Playniax5 months ago #15
I made some changes to the ( pixel perfect ) collision layer module today. With Ignition X and Pyro you needed a little editor to create image pixel masks. The editor is able to create a mask automatically but Pyro 2 can now do this without using an editor. It uses the alpha channel to create the pixel mask. The collision layer can also adjust its size automatically now ( before you had to set the size your self ).

These demos use the pixel perfect collision module:

http://www.playniax.com/SAF/gz/
http://www.playniax.com/SAF/spiral/


Playniax5 months ago #16
I continued porting the Duel demo to Pyro 2 today. Lighting is not in yet so it looks weird.


Pyro 1


Pyro 2 ( without lighting but will be added )


Playniax5 months ago #17
Whoohoo! Mark just added Chipmunk2D Physics to Monkey 2 so I decided to play around and test it with Pyro 2!




Playniax4 months ago #18
I had to make some massive improvements to the Pyro 2 engine but the editor can now handle tiles! Basically the sprite mapping system is handling the tiles now ( tiles and spites were 2 systems blend together in Pyro 1 ). Of course tiles are still possible and Tiled maps can still be used but this is the only sane way to deal with this in the editor without resorting to all kind of sub editor modes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxCIYFYfsN4




Neuro4 months ago #19
Good stuff, still lookin forward to testing this out!




Playniax4 months ago #20
Thanks but You're gonna have to wait a bit...


Playniax4 months ago #21
Whoohoo! Crushed some particle engine bugs today.



I am very tempted to resurrect the particle editor I started to make a while back but I need to stick to the plan or it will never make it out there. Will do this later though...


Richard Betson4 months ago #22
Nice. :)


Playniax4 months ago #23
Thanks Richard! How your stuff going? Any idea for a release date?


Playniax4 months ago #24
And... I got iso sorting running!




Richard Betson4 months ago #25
Also nice! I really want to play with ISO at some point down the road.

Richard! How your stuff going? Any idea for a release date?

Um, it's going to be a while. :) But, I am hammering away at it daily.


Playniax4 months ago #26
Yeah, the last bits are the hardest. I got lighting up today!



But working on bananas and tutorials right now... Yay!


Playniax4 months ago #27
Just uploaded the latest Pyro 2 preview to our support page. Massive changes to the tile system!

This is probably the last preview version. I expect to have some kind of release this month!!!

Thanks for all the people supporting Pyro 2 already by buying Pyro 1.


Playniax4 months ago #28
And... I just uploaded a demo of the pyro-framework module: http://www.playniax.com/SAF/downloads/pyro-framework-demo.zip

I uploaded it now mainly for testing so any feedback is appreciated!

The pyro-framework module is a collection of Monkey 2 helpers to make your coding life easier and will be available for free!

There are helpers for arrays, base64, xml, bitmap fonts, collisions, delta timing, graphics, math, pathfinding, texturepacker and more!

( although I left out the pixel collision and xml for now because of some bugs )

After some more testing I will upload it so it can be used by the Monkey 2 module manager.


Playniax4 months ago #29
It looks like the official release date of Pyro 2 will be the first of December! :)

This will include the Pyro-framework, scene-graph and gui module, docs, examples, templates and demos.

I am hoping to release the editor in januari 2017 in some shape or form!

Note that if you purchase a Pyro license before the first of December you will get the editor later for free ( our way to say thanks for the early support ).


Neuro4 months ago #30



Playniax4 months ago #31
Monkey 2 just had a major update! It includes ‘Ted2go’ as the default IDE and the free version of the pyro-framework module.



More information: http://monkey2.monkey-x.com/

You Blitzers, try it out!


Blitzplotter4 months ago #32
iso sorting looks particularly interesting ;)


Naughtical4 months ago #33
This is, just... wow. It's so cool. :)


taumel4 months ago #34
Hmm, has Mark given up on enhancing the IDE on his own?

I guess you have to differ between the look and its functionality. It looks like a impersonal dated Linux something and the appealing simple flat design is gone. Does ted2go address the basic issues ted2 was suffering from or does it focus on adding more complexity/gimmicks?


Playniax4 months ago #35
I don't know if Mark has 'given up' on enhancing the IDE on hiw own but Monkey 2 is open source so help from the community is not a bad thing. I think he jumped on the ted2go wagon but you will need to ask him. I think ted2go still has the minimalistic appeal I liked about ted1 but it's probably a matter of taste...

You can choose the themes and one of that theme resembles Ted1 a bit I guess.




taumel4 months ago #36
dp


taumel4 months ago #37
Can you disable the new icon areas, enable/disable the added features?

The last version of ted2 was V1.0.8 and i customised it to a certain degree but there were a number of things broken/limited (like input/gui/retina/colour defs/low-high-res-icon sets).

V1.1.0.1 doesn't seem to be available as a version's typical source download option.


therevills4 months ago #38
Exciting times ahead for MX2!


Playniax4 months ago #39
Indeed! Did you dive into MX2 already? And what do you think?


Playniax4 months ago #40
I really need a feature stop if I want to finished V1.0.0 before the 1st of december but I couldn't resist adding a 'debug' editor to the gui system for help with positioning gui objects :)


Playniax3 months ago #41
Pyro 2 and the CrashTest Art Pack are here!


Playniax3 months ago #42
The Pyro 2 modules are now visible in the Monkey 2 module manager so it's now very easy to install ( install all 3 ). Just start the Monkey 2 IDE, find module manager, install and after installation just build and you should be good to go! Get the essentials.zip from our download page for the bananas, demos and templates.

Note that our website is not up to date yet. Sorry for that!


therevills3 months ago #43
Great job!


BlitzMan3 months ago #44
It is Playniax Pyro for Monkey 2 that has me intrested,for Monkey 2.

Very nice guy.


Playniax3 months ago #45
Thanks guys!


Neuro3 months ago #46
Yippy!!!




Playniax3 months ago #47
Just added a simple demo loader to the CrashTest Art for Pyro 2.


RustyKristi3 months ago #48
Congrats Playniax, looks great and I wish you success!

Speaking of selling your assets to itch.io, why not make it more visible like making it available also in Unity Asset store, Envato and other fronts?


Playniax3 months ago #49
Thanks RustyKristi!

why not make it more visible like making it available also in Unity Asset store, Envato and other fronts?


Yes, we are looking in to that...


Playniax3 months ago #50
Just added the Pyro 2 Tiled Converter to the shop. Early birds get it for $6 USD if you purchase it within the next 3 days ( normal price $9 USD ).


Playniax3 months ago #51
There is a new GUI template available for Pyro 2.

The template has a loader, start, settings, help, about and in-game pause screen for a portrait oriented game ( landscape coming soon ).

The release includes all graphics in png format and Monkey 2 / Pyro 2 source code files.

We will release updates and new themes regularly.

Make sure you have the latest Pyro 2 installed!




RustyKristi3 months ago #52
nice!


CodeGit3 months ago #53
The only reason I was drawn to Monkey 2 was for Pyro and now you make it free....WOW WOW. Your product deserves to do well, I wish you luck.


popcade3 months ago #54
Uh... I did't use monkey2 and pyro yet, but i happen to have a itch account, so I bought the Pyro2 plugin.

if you have more new things, please tell me, at least I can support you a few cans of beer.


Playniax3 months ago #55
Hey thanks guys! We appreciate it!

Btw, if you don't own the CrashTest Art pack yet, 9 hours left before the price goes up to $9 USD!


EdzUp MkII3 months ago #56
Maybe this should be put on the front page as news, the last one was MonkeyX2 and before that MonkeyX1 a year before.

We need more news to actually make it look like the site ISNT dead ;)


Neuro3 months ago #57
So what exactly did previous owners of Pyro get now?


Steve Elliott3 months ago #58
Yes, as far as I can tell, Monkey 2 and Pyro 2 are the big new developments, so should be mentioned on the Home Page.


Blitzplotter3 months ago #59
Vote +1 for monkey 2 and pyro 2 getting a mention, I know Monkey 2's already there.


Playniax3 months ago #60
So what exactly did previous owners of Pyro get now?

http://www.monkey-x.com/Community/posts.php?topic=12725#125149

Maybe this should be put on the front page as news, the last one was MonkeyX2 and before that MonkeyX1 a year before.

I will ask BRL if they will be kind enough. They already promote us on their social media so I don't think it's a problem. If you like Pyro 2 and you are not a Monkey 2 supporter yet then please consider becoming one. It's important for Pyro 2 to have a strong Monkey 2.


Derron3 months ago #61
Maybe do a tutorial-series using "pyro 2" and "monkey 2" to create a small game.

Series = multiple tutorials.


These tutorials should get promoted to attract existing monkey2-users (to use pyro) and maybe upcoming developers looking for "develop a game"-tutorials.

If doing such a thing: provide a "asset pack XYZ lite"-variant of your "asset pack XYZ".
What I mean is:
- you create a simple game with a consistent style because you use your asset pack
- you create a game only using some "simple" elements of your asset pack
- people could do the same on their home computers


At the end of the tutorial you show, what could be added to the game - and this, of course with the help of the "non lite"-variant of your asset pack (or enough enthusiasm of the developer to create these assets on their own).

PS: the licence of the lite-variant could contain that no commercial usage of this assets is allowed (to avoid people using it for their "finished game, now selling it"-tries) .


PPS: Such a tutorial series wont climax in the first days, it needs "google" and a bit of buzz in the forums to finally lead to new readers or even monkey2-users.


PPPS: if you create a tutorial, think about what's better: a written one, or multiple video tutorials. For coding I think "written" is better. Written also allows for localization (German, English, French ...) but nonetheless they need "video material" (eg. a short video showing the end result of what you learn in this lesson).


What might be problematic there is the different knowledge level. So you might add a "basics" tutorial for absolute beginners, just showing how to tackle monkey2 (really just the basics). Hide as much complexity as possible but let it "shine through" that you _could_ make it way more complex.


I think such tutorial series might increase sales of your asset packs _a_bit_ but might also not fulfill wonders.


bye
Ron


Playniax3 months ago #62
Hi Derron, yes all good ideas. In fact, we are discussing similar ideas. In the next few weeks I am still writing basic tutorials and demos myself but we are open to these kind of ideas. Especially when it's community related.


Playniax3 months ago #63
And here is another new GUI template available for Pyro 2.

Same structure as template 1 but different theme.

Make sure you have the latest Pyro 2 installed!




Derron3 months ago #64
Maybe create a "gui widget preview screen" (with "playniax"-text-watermark above them - and some black or white - not just transparency - lines overlaying the widgets).

What I did not see is "sliders", only on-off.

For casual games you also need:
- dialogues
- stars (filled, unfilled)
- input (name)
- maybe even dropdown/select (difficulty, map selection)
- icon-buttons (settings, "sound on off" ...)
- ... think you know what you use in your casual/small games

The disadvantage of a limited widget asset pack is the "limit". Somewhen during development of your little casual game you will recognize: "ohh sh... this widget is missing" and then you understand why it is good to have either a "fully complete pack" or someone at your side being able to redo/modify existing widgets to something new.

Maybe you should also consider to split up "decoration elements", so for dialogues you get 1-2 headers, 1-2 footers and 1-2 "borders" + some backgrounds. It is then up to the user to mix things up to their individual dialogue-boxes.

Of course this adds much time to the creation process but for now the asset pack (especially the second you have shown here) contain very little "extras" and looks easy enough to recreate it in not-that-much-time (if you know the tools - of course). The first one is way better, it isn't that easy to recreate the "knob", it looks more professional - disregarding of "cartoon" or "not cartoon".



@ cartoon
seems the "Your Game" has a bit darker outline at the bottom, than "Name" and "of". So "Name" and "of" look a bit "faded of" or "washed out" compared to the more vibrant (more contrast) "Your Game".
Font choice is really good (I like that font too) - do you provide it as "bitmap font" (not vectors - as this leads to licence issues) so people could use these fonts "for whatever they desire" ?



Do _not_ get above things wrong, I just try to help improving your artworks. And I understand, that the whole "GUI" thing cannot fit perfectly to ones game (eg. emphasize of words in a title might be different to the font-size you designed the graphics with).
So do not feel offended - and if so, then sorry, not intended.

bye
Ron


Playniax3 months ago #65
Do _not_ get above things wrong, I just try to help improving your artworks.

Not at all! We plan to add things regularly!


Playniax3 months ago #66
If you haven't played with Monkey 2 or Pyro 2 yet I have created a zip with everything pre-installed!

Visit our download page and download the Monkey2_Pyro2_Binaries_for_Windows.zip file ( large file! ).

Just unzip the file to your drive ( not to deep paths ) and run the IDE.

You still need to download the Pyro 2 essentials.zip though ( bananas,demos and templates ) also from the download page.

Only Windows desktop for now! Next I will have a look at the Mac.


Playniax3 months ago #67
Just updated the essentials.zip with some better tile examples. Check our download page!


Blitzplotter3 months ago #68
Playniax, downloading your Monkey2_Pyro2_Binaries_for_Windows.zip just now, alas I don't have much spare coding time but I wanted to give your Pyro2 a whirl.

I already dowloaded Monkey2 - I'm tempted to unzip your zip to a 'shallow' path and try it there, I'll let you know how I fare ;)


Playniax3 months ago #69
Cool!


Blitzplotter3 months ago #70
I love the path finder demo, trying out others just now, the b05_Vsplitscreen is very intriguing, there is a lot of exceptional code examples here Planiax. I'm too tired to carry on testing for now, great work is an understatement - I heartily recommend Playniax's Pyro2 framework for Monkey2. The IDE is a joy on the eyes as well.


Playniax3 months ago #71
great work is an understatement - I heartily recommend Playniax's Pyro2 framework for Monkey2

Thanks Blitzplotter! Compared to Ignition X and Pyro the examples still need a lot more work but I actually enjoy writing them so I will add more in the next couple of weeks...


Playniax3 months ago #72
We have created a 'store' page at itch.io for Monkey - Pyro 2 ( pre-built for desktop ) for both Windows and Macos.

This saves you a lot of building time!

Just unzip the file to your drive ( shallow paths please ) and run the IDE.

You still need to download the Pyro 2 essentials.zip though ( bananas,demos and templates ) also from the download page.


skidracer3 months ago #73
Sweet work Tony, you made the front page!

Hope image is not too big.


Blitzplotter3 months ago #74
Great to see the framework showcased on the home page - the last framework that I seen associated with BRL products that had this much potential was Grey Alien's framework. Image looks fine here.


Playniax3 months ago #75
Nice one skidracer!

Thanks Blitzplotter!


Playniax3 months ago #76
Added 2 demos to the product pages showing the GUI templates in action:

Car theme: http://www.playniax.com/SAF/templates/cars/
Cartoon theme: http://www.playniax.com/SAF/templates/cartoon/

These templates are intended to give your project a quick 'polished' look when prototyping but we don't mind if they end up in the release.

You can get them in our asset store.


Playniax3 months ago #77
Here is a small update to the Pyro essentials. I added a tiny tile editor and some examples that show how to remove and tattoo objects.


Playniax3 months ago #78
Got an early version of the Particle Editor running for Pyro 2 on Pyro 2!




Playniax3 months ago #79
And working on an update for the CrashTest Art pack



Derron3 months ago #80
How does this robot stand?

I do not know if it has 3 legs or 4 .... (3 is better as it cannot "wobble/tilt" then). Nonetheless: it only stands on one axis. Even pideal creatures tend to have one extension of their body ("foot") on the ground while the other is moving (excepting is "running").

So if the robot is _not_ "running" in that scenery, it is just a very unnatural (not in the sense of "robots vs humans") movement.



Aside of that: the vectors look really really nice. Color choice is really good (nice yellow tone iof the robot and the fluids).


Is there a reason for the 2x scale?

bye
Ron


Playniax3 months ago #81
How does this robot stand?

It's stands in its own awesomeness!

No but seriously, it's still in development so I don't really have any answers. It just looks cool! ;)


Playniax3 months ago #82
Animation test



Playniax2 months ago #83
Woohoo, the editor can now mix tilesets with sprites between projects!




Playniax1 month ago #84
We thought is would be cool to have our own t-shirts to promote Playniax when we are at some indie meeting or whatever so we made these and just in case you also would like one : https://shop.spreadshirt.nl/playniax/


Playniax2 weeks ago #85
Dumbot - The Game

We didn't plan to make a game with the CrashTest Art but because some of you asked and because Pyro 2 needs more showcase material / stress testing, it can't hurt.

Now a few things before you start the game. The level used in the demo is just a TEST level!!! So not really a good game or gameplay. Also not all collision is in so you can not get killed really. It's not optimized yet and this online version will probably run horribly slow on a smartphone / tablet and doesn't support touchscreen yet. Desktop PC / laptop or Mac should run fine.

The robot can only run and jump.

To Start / Jump use SPACE or LEFT Mouse.

To reset the game press R ( if you get stuck or whatever )

Now see Pyro 2 in action!


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